From Nigerian Engineer to Canadian Success Story: Discover the Untold Secrets: Dr. Kaase Gbakon

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Hello. Good afternoon. From very rainy California. Well, I'm not going to call you Mr. Case. I want to call you Doctor Casey. I'm sorry. Um, you already have that. Thank you for joining me on this. Um, let's, you know, I've known you for. 2s I was 17 when I probably, I think at least 21 years. You graduated two years ahead of me. Um, and I and I said, I want to ask you this first question. I was going to I was not going to ask you this question while we were discussing the first study. And I'm curious where exactly in Nigeria are you from? I have not been able to place your name ever since. You know, back then, back then in Nigeria, no one, no one really cared about where people were from. Everyone just related. So where are you from? 3s Oh, wow. And your name? Your name never give you away. It's your name. It's like. I'm serious. I said I was going to. I said I was going to do this. I was going to ask you out of the first question, where are you from? Because I thought, it's in real estate. Is it like this name? This name doesn't sound.
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I kind of 1s got it.
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You see? You see, I was not far from. I thought you were.
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Okay. You see, so I don't feel bad all of a sudden, I don't I don't feel bad. 1s So let's, let's, let's start by exploring your incredible journey. I know back then you studied electrical engineering. I remember vividly this this vision of you and your and your friend Shannon. And I've connected back to Doctor Shannon as well, because he's only Microplace and he was from Johnson and he was one place to stay. Um, but, you know, you you you did electrical engineering. And then I went through your resume and I'm like, wait a minute, how did he switch from this to that? And then back to this and then to that. Just give us, um, your incredible journey, um, you know, your educational resume, not even your entire resume. Just say the resume. 2s Yeah. 11s Yes. 10s Yes. 1s Yes. Yep. 7s No, the colors are very boring. Name now. It was was it was. It was more like. It was good to be an electrical electronics engineer, you know, it sounded very. 17s Okay. 1s Okay. That was that was what was, um, because the revolution was happening to everyone. Yeah. 5s The GSM. Yes, yes. And then the telcos were recruiting. Yeah. 7s Yeah. 5s Right. 5s True. True. That's true. 12s Yeah, I saw that you went to Robert Gordon also to tell you I've read. I read your resume. 5s Yeah. 4s Oh, okay. Okay, okay. 4s Right. 2s Okay. 8s Right. 4s Yeah. 7s Okay. 9s Yes. 2s Okay. 4s Right. 7s Oh, okay. 9s Oh, okay. Okay. It was. 5s Oh. 3s Right.
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Right. 2s Yeah. The usual, usual end to end deployment and management.
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Okay. 7s Okay. 1s Right. Okay. 2s Yeah. How's the program? Right. Okay. 4s Ah, okay. So you are. You are in, uh, Jinan got the same. Well. 5s PhD. Okay. So that's that's how that works. Oh okay. So you got you got the pizza dinner. 2s You do the masters. Okay. Okay. 3s Great. 9s Okay. 7s Right? Right. 6s Right? Right. 1s Right. Okay. 8s Yeah. 6s Okay.
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Right. 1s Right. Because it's it's. 2s Right. 5s I was going to say they could outsource it and say, hey, we're going to give it to a contractor, you know? You know, it means. 3s Right.
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Right. 3s Right. 3s Right. 8s Okay. 2s Right. 7s Right? Right.
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You need your credentials. Yeah, you need to show.
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Right? True. 2s Are. 2s Ah. Okay. So that's when I. 2s Okay. 6s Right.
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Right.
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Okay. 6s Yes. 1s Okay? Yeah. 6s Scooter. 1s Right. 2s Yeah. 2s To. 3s Right? Right. 6s All right? Right. 2s For other engineering. 5s You. 2s Okay. 20s Well. Okay.
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The typical vertical roadblocks.
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Oh, that's usually the first. 6s But, well, that's political. 11s Right. 4s Okay.
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Okay. 2s You know this.
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Okay. 4s Right. Okay.
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Right. 1s Right. 1s Yeah.
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Right. 4s Okay. 9s Oh, wow. 5s A lot of people probably wanted to see a lot of people on the street.
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Yeah. 2s Are some of you taking.
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Yeah. 4s Yeah. Good. Yeah. 5s Right. 7s Right? Right. 6s True.
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Oh, okay.
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Or. 8s Local. 4s Yeah. 5s Ah, so the first one was the Robert Gordon one. The second one was the Edward White one. 2s And then the third one. 2s Which was wack. No no, no. What did you do that? The one in. 3s Okay. 2s Okay. 9s Right.
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Okay. 1s Right.
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Okay. Okay. 13s Okay. 7s Okay, so this is like a more, more, uh, deep. 4s Here. 5s Okay. 3s Okay. You probably met, um, probably in the same class, which would be more important because he just finished from there as well. 3s Yeah. 3s Okay. 3s We kind of. Okay. Yeah. 5s That's not not. That's how I know. That's how I knew about the course. When I saw it, I was like, ah, okay. You know, you're one of the set, but okay. So going going through all of this, 2s going through all of this story now. But you're not right now, not in Nigeria. You are currently in in Canada. 1s And I want to find out what that story has been and how all of this experience that you have, how it has helped you to transition into Canada and the Canadian story now. Most of the people, most of the people I've had interview with are American experience. So yours is not through school. Yours is. I'll let you say what you did. So I don't want to put any more. But the good thing is you're going to be the the aim of the podcast is try and get people to understand how this transition works and what people's experience are in settling down. So they have an idea is like, okay, so if I'm going to move to Canada, this is what I need to know. Um, what has when did you decide to do it? What did you do and where are you now? And then we'll get into the nitty gritty of settling down in Canada. So let me let me allow you to. 7s Right. 2s Okay. 5s Right. 8s Yeah. 1s Yes. Yeah. 5s I, I was in the I was in the UK then I left in 2000. So I know the I, I got the yeah I. 2s Yes, but that was different. 6s Correct. 8s Right. 6s Right. 2s Okay. 2s Okay. 7s Okay. 1s Okay. 5s Oh, okay. Okay. 3s Right. 7s What did they change? 5s Okay. 6s Okay? Okay. 6s Poker. 12s Right. 3s Well. Okay? Okay. 2s Right. 7s Right. Based on that recommendation, you get points for. 2s Okay. 5s Incur. 9s Glitter. 2s Okay. 7s Boom. 5s Okay. So who? Nominate someone. Nominate you. 2s Okay. So. 4s Right. 4s Over. 2s Oh okay okay okay. And then usually you get you get invited to apply that. 1s Okay. 5s You were not expecting it? Yeah. 3s Yeah. We're professional. Yeah. 15s Okay. 8s Okay. We're going to work on the research. What, what. So I, you know, I, I want people listening to find out that, hey, this is not, um, this is not something you wake up that you have to find an agent. A lot of people. There's nothing wrong with finding agents. But is everything wrong with when you hand over every single bit of the process? Agent, what did you go? What did you. What kind of research did you do for the sake of people that don't know, um, how to start? 2s Hello.
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Okay. 2s Yeah, right.
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Okay. Okay.
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Right.
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Correct? Yep. 2s Okay. 11s Right. 5s Okay. 1s Right? 1s Okay. 4s Right. 11s Or. 3s Okay. I'm sorry.
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What? Those things are right. So you're right. If you do research. 5s Right. 3s Okay.
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Right. 5s Yeah. So 1s yes, I have a question. I have a question I didn't know because I don't know anything about the Canadian process. I did study it in 2015 when I was deciding between Canada and the US. But the provinces I know, why do they have disparate requirements? Why do they have the same requirement? 1s And is it because, um. Yeah. I'll let you answer. So. So maybe you might answer my question when you answer. So let me just allow you. 7s Okay? Yeah. 9s Right. How many provinces are there? 4s Okay. 4s Okay. 1s Cognitive. 2s Okay. 3s Okay. Okay. So on each of them, each of them then have their own. Kind of immigration rule system. Not not I will say I don't call it like immigration because immigration sounds nationalistic, more like entry rules. 2s Entry requirement. Okay. 5s Okay. 2s Give an example. Give an example. 5s Right. 5s Right? Okay. 3s Okay. 2s Okay. 5s Okay, because you have a French speaking part in Canada, so they would only rely on French schools. 7s Right. 3s Okay. 9s Okay. 5s Right.
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Yeah. 3s Right.
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Right. 6s Right? Right. 10s Over to you. 1s Okay. So the requirements and then you mentioned that it is a point based system. And how do you how do you meet up the points. What are the requirements? I know you have one I know one is age, one is education. And you mentioned English and then the French. Uh. 7s Right. 3s Right. Okay.
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The experience like 2s experience.
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Right. 4s Ever. 1s Right. 4s That is. 2s Right. 5s Right? Right. 5s Right. 5s But. 3s Okay. That's pretty much okay. So, so so what's the time frame for this? How long does it take to gather this? How long does it take for them to for you to hear back? I know the times have changed. This is from your experience. I know right now, you know, some people moved when nobody was looking at Canada. Now everybody wants to move. No, no, everybody wants all the typical what are the typical steps, you know. And what's the timeline. 4s Oh, yes. Let's not forget how our parents that decided to attend our lives. Literally. 11s Okay? Yeah.
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Yeah. How quickly you can process all of that? Yeah.
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Yes.
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Like six months. That's like a pipe dream now.
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Right. 15s Oh, well. February or what year?
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So the 20. 2s Oh, wow. And that was before. That was before Covid, really. Because nobody knew. Everybody knew some noise about Covid, but. 5s March. 2s Yeah. 2s Covid 19, right? 1s Right. 2s So by March 2020 was when we really knew what was going on.
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There. 2s Ah, okay. 3s Yeah. 4s Yeah. We're still here.
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December. 1s Okay. 3s Okay.
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Okay. 3s So what was that? So once you get that, you have like a year to leave I think usually. Or do you have to then apply. You have to then apply for the visa? Or was it that your passport came with the visa then, or was it just like an approval letter that. 5s That's fine. That's fine.
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Okay. 2s Okay.
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Let me start over again. 8s That's true. What do you mean? I want to leave everyone. There's a virus out there.
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Right.
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Right. 3s Okay. 4s Okay. 4s Okay. 3s Okay.
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Right. 2s Okay. So. 2s Yeah. 2s Okay, so what happened?
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Are. 4s Thank. 3s Yes. You can't travel, 1s right? Nobody was flying out. 2s It. 11s Right. 2s Mhm.
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Are. 2s Oh, so they didn't allow flights from any other port of entry but the US? And even the arrival probably wouldn't be by. Was it by flight? Or you could drive or any port of entry and.
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Right? Okay. 1s Right? Okay.
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And. 2s Right? Right. Or from Europe 1s or from of or from Europe. Okay.
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Right.
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Yeah. 4s Oh, wow. 3s Okay. 3s Here. 2s Here. Walk across. 7s Right. 4s Okay.
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Right.
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Don't say no. Yeah. 2s I mean. 1s Yeah.
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There. 4s Your. 1s No. If he didn't do the research. Yeah. 5s Yeah. 2s Because.
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Oh. 2s Ah, okay. So you went in and then what did you have to give them? Did you have to do anything special for them for. 2s Okay.
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Right. 3s Right. 3s Okay. 2s So they were told they were allowed to get on the plane because of that. 1s Oh, wow. 3s Wow. 2s Okay. 3s Yeah, but. 2s But this story on the on the pin something you have to be able to 1s be very proactive. 1s And also probably reactive sometimes to the situations of immigration. Because if you had just assumed, oh no, then I'll let everybody fly. But you found the rules. And that's one thing, you know, like about the West, the rules are the rules, you know, and and they would follow them and, and that's, that's, that's actually very, very interesting to know. Which leads to the next one. The next question is around, um. 1s The issue of, okay, now we've landed in Canada. You don't know anybody in Canada. 2s No worry. You probably have some friends that live around. They've told you, you know. They've told you. Oh, this is how Canada is. Oh, there's no work. There's no this. You know, we're hustling or we have to work in, um. Uh, there's nothing wrong with working in the store or in the factory, you know? But. So how was that transition for you? Before you answer that, what was the time lag between when you landed and when your family came? 1s There was a time. 3s Okay, okay. So there was not a lot of time. So there was a lot. It's a lot of pressure on you. 7s Oh, yeah. It was very quick. Quick and fast. Very quick. Yeah. Um, so how did you how did you. How did you settle in? How what was that? What were the steps that you had to do? So now you've made that leap. You've you made that leap. You've landed like. All right. Fine. Now I'm here. I'm in Canada. Yes. Everything is working. We've got light, we've got internet. I'm not worried about infrastructure. But now you have to figure out the system. So what are those steps that you have to take? Because a lot of people don't know. And, you know, I want to destroy this notion that everything is just fantastic. You know, you just learn and then there's money being spread around me. Um, I don't have to do anything. And usually this is what frustrates people. People don't understand that there's a system. Now I understand the US system very well. I understand the transition, but what is that? Uh, permanent residency system. Like I brought my family in, which is most stories of Nigeria, Nigerians and other people. How did you integrate? 12s Okay. 4s Yes. Yes. 1s You know, so we so I'm sure everybody said so many times now, now we're going to move on to planning. So there's research which is not active. Planning is a research. I can read a book and have all this planning research in my head. But now the rubber has hit the road. Now you have to execute. So how did you do it? 9s Aha! Now we see. Now we see why it was okay. Go ahead. This is interesting. Yeah. 11s Okay. 2s Okay. 4s Broke. 5s Yes, yes. First thing. 4s Yep. 9s Okay. 4s Right? Okay. 2s Okay.
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Career coach. Yeah.
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Okay. 9s Right. 7s Right. 4s Right. 7s Okay. 3s Okay. 5s Okay. 7s Right. 9s Um. 3s Right. 3s Right. 7s Okay. Right. 5s Right. 2s Or while you were in Nigeria. 4s Okay. 1s Okay. 3s Ah, which is why I said you have to be reactive and you have to be proactive. Reactive in the sense that. Yeah, go ahead. 5s Yeah, that's very interesting. That's a very good way of, uh, of doing this. Yeah. Okay. 5s Right. And then you have that panic on, you know, your own rage is increasing, the bills are being paid, you know. So. 5s Are. 1s Right. 16s Right. 7s Yeah.
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You have to.
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Yes, it can be.
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No. You're thinking about just making, making, making the bills band. Making band. 4s Right.
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Right. Very good advice. And this was someone that was here. I called you, okay. 6s Bright. 9s Right. 2s Mhm.
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Oh, wow. So you had. So you had you had a honed your skills of applying for these jobs. You knew what was working. You knew what was not working. You optimized. You pretty much just kept on optimizing. Optimizing until. 1s Until this.
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Oh, yes, there was the quarantine. 1s Yes. 7s Right. 3s I took. Oh, wow. It was at your own cost. 3s Yeah, it was the height. It was really at the height of it when you put it on and. 7s Ah, yeah I remember. 4s Again. 5s Yeah. Okay.
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Oh. 3s Wow. 2s I think when you're doing your applications, then.
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Oh, wow. In quarantine. 6s Yes. So you had. 2s Uh. 8s Right. 10s Okay. 5s Okay. 4s Okay. 2s Enter. 6s Oh. 7s Yeah.
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Mr. Holmes. Okay. 5s Wow.
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True. 7s Right. 4s Okay. 2s Okay, so so you'd advice, you'd advise people to actually look out for what? What are they called again? 3s Open us. 2s Over. 2s Water.
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Okay, so that was. 2s Okay. So so so how did you so you did all these applications. You just go on a particular website. Was it indeed was it LinkedIn? Where were you finding this jobs?
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Okay. So indeed. But, uh, that's.
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Or right.
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Pull. 4s Okay. 2s So so that was that was what about your family? So how did your wife and your kids what was integration like for them. So because. 5s Yeah. 6s Right. 2s Yes. 5s Right. 6s Oh, okay. Okay. 11s Okay. 3s Right. 7s Punk rocker. 8s Okay. Okay. What field? What? What field is she in? 5s Oh, so it's, um, public health kind of thing. 4s Okay. 3s Or it's a huge, huge umbrella. 5s Oh, okay.
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Yeah.
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Uh. That's not a new thing. Don't worry. We are the leader 1s in California, 2s and 1s California's population is your population. So, uh. 1s We know. I know what we're talking about. Um, the. 4s Oh, okay. 5s Okay. 6s Right? Okay. Okay. Okay. 1s Yeah. 1s Yeah. 5s Right. 3s Right. Okay. Okay, so. So now that is um, in did you how did you find accommodation? So now you know you're not by yourself. You have a family. What are those things you watch out for? You know, because, you know, if you're by yourself, if you don't mind, you can share an apartment with someone you know for yourself, but with your family. Now, did you pick an area that is family oriented? Did you pick an area that had better schools because, you know it works differently here in the US? You're zoned. If you're in the public school system, you're zoned to a place that is closest to your zip code. So, you know, because it's a property taxes that fund the public school. So how did you make up? How did you make that decision? 7s Okay. Okay? Okay. 4s Right. 4s Okay. Okay. So he would use an experience to do that. 17s Right? 1s Right. Okay. 2s Two would be something similar. 13s Okay. 3s For. 2s Right. 10s Yeah. 10s Okay. 16s Okay. 2s Yeah. 2s Yeah. 3s Yes. 1s But. 6s Right? Okay. 6s Yeah. 2s Yeah. 9s Okay. 2s Okay. 5s Okay. 7s Okay. 3s Video tool. Okay.
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Hunter. 3s It's not going to tell you that's true. I never thought about. 3s Yeah. You're not going to.
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Yeah. 1s You're right.
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All right. That's true. 1s A. 2s Google search won't help either because you absolutely have to see it. 2s Oh, that's a brand new place, which is very rare. 15s Okay. So. 2s Yes, I was going to ask that. How is it now? Because I know that there was a recent, um, reduction in the issuance of international student visas. 1s Because of the increase in the cost of rent, because of the reduced quantity of houses out for rent and people at advantage. I have heard stories where they give you the the garage to give you a small room. Uh, I don't know what those are, but you hear the stories. 3s Right. So, yeah, I mean, I'm hearing all sorts of very funny stories, um, about how bad, how bad it can, how bad it can get. Um, is it is so in this kind of current situation now, what would your advice for someone that wants to make the move, you know. Oh, I just got my, my, my passport back and I'm moving in next week. What what would you advise them to watch out for? 3s Yeah.
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Broke. 4s Okay. 7s Okay. 6s But. 5s Who? 5s Anybody. 5s Yeah. 5s Right. 4s Yes, I was going to say because. 5s On doing? Yes. Especially in a place like the West. 10s But. 8s Yes, but at least you kept in touch with him. 2s Yeah. 5s Yeah.
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Reach out to him.
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Yeah. 3s What? 2s Right. 3s Right. 2s Yeah, but at least you have an idea of how things are here. 5s Right. 7s Black. 1s But. 11s Right.
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This is. 1s No one's going to arrange anything. 21s Oh, wow. So what? 1s I was. 10s And then. 5s On the other side of this. 10s Okay. Before you fill the feed. 4s Bright.
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Yeah. 3s Yeah. Who's. 6s Right. 7s Like, what does that mean? Yeah. 5s Don't. 1s Well. 3s What do you need? 5s It's quite a big deal. Yeah, because it's just like it's a chain of they're trying to create a chain of connections to make sure that. 7s Growth. 3s You're. 2s But. 2s That is a new system. You have to get a reference. 7s Right. 2s Right. 4s This is a reference. 4s Okay. So. 2s Look awful. Uh, so, uh, almost. Uh, so the next question I had is regarding your job, I'm very curious about about the job because, uh, you work in the, uh, Ministry of Forestry, uh, I think I, I don't know if I remember. 8s Senior forestry. What are the senior forestry economists do? 2s I've never heard about. I mean, I can understand the ministry. Of what? Ministry of forestry? Economics. That's like a 2s like a niche job. 10s All right. 5s Okay. 4s Oh. 11s So it's a big ministry then. 5s Oh, because they have a lot of. Oh that's true. We get our numbers from Canada for building here in America. 11s Yes, yes, I know, I remember. I remember this when we were trying to buy a house and there was an increase in the price of lumber. 1s Because it was there was people were building more or is it not people? I can't remember the economics of what's going on, but yes, true. 2s Lord. Come on. 1s Yes. 6s Yes. 8s Yes. 7s Yes it is, I mean. 6s Fine. 4s Oh, wow. So that's a huge percentage. This is huge. If you. 7s Right. 5s Okay. 4s Nuclear. 2s Okay.
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That's a huge undertaking.
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Oh, wow. 6s Okay. 7s Okay. Okay. 5s Okay. 3s Okay. 5s Sir. 2s Okay. 2s Okay.
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How much lumber is in Canada. You guys have a lot of lumber, then? 10s What, 10% 2s at all? And most of those places are inhabited.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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Right. 6s Right. 6s Oh, okay. 9s Okay. 10s Right. 4s Okay. And your your oil, your oil exports of, um. What's that oil express that you guys have? Um. 4s No no no not not oil. Oil. I'm talking about your most prized possession. Nope. Um. 2s For pancakes. 3s Maple syrup? Yes. 2s I was surprised to find out that you guys actually have places that control the the the price point of maple syrup. I was like, 1s it's maple syrup, please. It's just maple syrup. 2s Okay, so last question. Well, second to the last question. You have a diverse skillset. You know, like I put it in the questions. Like you are like a Swiss Army knife. You can cut a knife in different directions. What's what are you aiming for for the future. What's I mean, because you've mentioned how your aspiration to CU from electrical engineering, how you want it to fit into, um, you know, petrochemical and then you went chemical. Now you are in this place, it's looking like you might end up being the policy maker. You might just say, you know what? I've enjoyed writing all these tools and software and analysis. I think I want to be the guy that just gives the governor insights into what to do when I leave. So what are your. Specific aspirations. I mean, if you can, if you are okay, share it.
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But. 3s Okay.
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Right. 5s I was right. 10s So shape policy. Right. 9s Okay.
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But.
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Okay. 7s Questions. 1s Did you do an MP? Did you do an MBA? 3s You know. 6s Because what you just said now isn't your question. 3s Oh, I don't think I was trying to think like you said, I have an MBA and his Swiss Army knife of certifications he has a knack for. 2s Oh, that's. That's. That's a good one. 5s But. But I understand how you mean with, uh, data and analytics policy. Yeah. 8s Okay. 9s Yeah. 4s Yeah, true. 1s Look at. Okay. Last question. So wrapping up. Yeah. Can you leave the listeners with an advice or a message, especially those trying to carve out a similar path to yours? Because I wish them well, if they want to do all the degree programs that you did. But yeah, just advice for the little guy or the aspiring or the aspiring big guy. 7s Water. 3s Or. 4s Okay. 14s Okay. 4s That's true. Yeah 1s I know. 6s But. 7s But. 2s Infer. 10s Right. We were adjusting. We kept on adjusting. 5s Right. 5s Uncle. 4s Yeah, yeah. 6s Right. 3s Yeah. 9s Okay. 2s Anchor. 2s Okay. 2s Okay. Well, thank you very much. It has been very interesting catching up. I'm very happy that we got to do this and that you reached out because I found you on LinkedIn. I go, is that Casey that I've been looking for for like 20 years? Because I've been looking for web search. I have done every single form of LinkedIn searches to find you. I'm serious. That was just you notice immediately that I found because I think I because I've been fairly connected to Keenan for a long time. So I was looking through. 2s Yes, but we didn't. I couldn't spell your name. Remember the first question I asked you? 1s Yes. The first person I asked you was, where are you from? I couldn't, I honestly do not know the surname. So there was no way I was going to know the surname. And I remember what you look like, but the name I spelt every single time with a C, I spelled it. Cassie was how I spelt your name on LinkedIn to tell you that I've really, really done this for the longest time, for at least a decade. I'm like, where is this guy? Because I remember clearly that, you know, I was saying, when, when, when you are in general sit down, talk about control systems. I think you guys were taking the 200 level courses together. Then you get taking generic engineering class. And I was in, I think you were in 300 level then, and I was in 100 level. And I would come into the room and you guys are talking about control systems. I said, what are these people talking about? 1s Because I would come to Austin's place. You know, Austin's place was just I just said, your place. And I'd walk in and say hello. And I'm like, So China. I knew China and I followed him for at least a decade. You know, I was like, but where is this guy's like, his name was KC. That's what is it? C and that's why CAC why I had no idea it was really okay. And then when I started I was like, that is that's like quickly I immediately outed you. But thank you for doing this. It was nice sharing this. I hope you had fun as much as I did. 1s Okay. Thank you very much. I'll. 4s Exactly that. That's why I like that. I like the forecast. Thank you.